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Vid Recs!

Scott Pilgrim vs. the World to "Teenage Dirtbag".

I actually haven't seen the movie, because some of the ads made me a little leery about a couple things, but I've now added it to my To Watch list based on this vid. Fun.

Hot Fuzz to "Blue Orchid".

SO. MUCH. AWESOME.

The Secret Garden to "Vintervalsen".

Oh, it gave me chills and then had me tearing up by the end. (Also, I would love any fic recs where they get to have a happy, wonderful threesome as teens or adults.)

Jurassic Park to "I Want More".

OMG MOST AWESOME VID EVER. I just *flailed* with joy while watching it. Also, I'm obviously due a trilogy marathon SOON.

Back to the Future to "Tik-Tok".

This is an awesome vid that captures all of the fun of the trilogy. Also, Sister K hates this song and so I laugh madly every time I listen to it. That's what it's like to be my sister, yo. I torment you with songs you hate and then laugh madly when I think about it.

Point Break to "Knockin' on Heaven's Door".

God, I love this movie SO MUCH and this vid captures all of it. The only reason I'm not fannishly involved in Point Break the way I am in the Fast and the Furious series (since Fast and the Furious is basically Point Break with cars instead of surfing) is that as fun as Lori Petty's character is, there isn't a Mia character for her to play off. Until I really started analyzing Mia and Letty as reflections of each other, I wasn't fannishly involved in Fast and the Furious, either. (And without Mia and Letty, I have little interest in the other movies, though as long as I a) refuse to believe Letty is dead and b) look at all of the movies as a connected story in which I can write about Mia and Letty even when they aren't appearing on screen, I can fannishly connect to the series as a whole. However, I just saw a one sheet for the fifth movie which completely leaves out Mia, too, and my interest waned significantly in that moment.) (Also, I really should be more fannishly involved in Point Break than Fast and the Furious considering how big a role Brian plays in the latter and how much I can't stand him. At least in Point Break, I'm a fan of both guys.)

Life After People to "End of the World".

I so need to watch Life After People the next time I visit J and his home theater. I think it will make me feel better about how much I hate people right now. Awesome vid.

Book of Eli to "O Death".

CHILLS I HAVE CHILLS.

Dead Like Me to "There is a Boy Who Never Goes Out".

Aww, Mason. I need to have a marathon of this show soon too. (Alas, I really dislike Daisy and so don't rewatch much.)

Dirty Dancing to "You Can't Sit Down".

Captures all of the fun of the movie.

Dirty Dancing to "You Are Everything".

The fact that it took this vid for me to realize how much I want the story of Baby/Penny/Johnny would be sad, except the vid is so very awesome.

Lilo and Stitch to "Beat Control".

FAVORITE MOVIE EVER. And this vid captures it so well, all the charm and heart ache and joy.

Primeval to "Don't Stop Movin'".

NO WORDS. JUST AWESOME.

Other Recs

Ana Lucia love thread at halfamoon. (Dude, halfamoon is one of my favorite times of the year.) My love for Ana Lucia was so great I quit watching Lost when they killed her and have not looked back since. I haven't even rewatched season one or season two. I should probably get rid of my season one set, for that matter. Ana Lucia Cortez, totally the best part of Lost. (Michelle Rodriguez, totally the best part of everything she's in, ever.)

First Edition of Potluck. "It is intended to be a carnival for multicultural and intersectional discussions of food, including but not limited to food discussions intersecting with disability, gender, sexuality, fat, animal rights, and cultural and racial issues. This is not to say that we have or will cover all of these intersections in a single carnival; Potluck is simply a room in which we can talk about them...."

Supernatural Art, Dean, work safe "Dosimetry". A pretty awesome look at the shapeshifter psychic link and Dean. In three panels, like A Softer World. Despite the fact I've broken up with Supernatural, this is awesome.

On "political correctness bullshit" in fandom and microaggressions.

So much this.

"Betty White's Nude Photos are Frankly Adorable.

She's so gorgeous.

Anti-Rec

Anti-rec of Trio of Sorcery by Mercedes Lackey for some really anti-transgender shit. I was so excited when I learned earlier today there was a new Diana Tregarde and then I read this. Fail, Lackey. Total fail.
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A couple things have combined to make me think these thoughts about derailing which aren't fully developed yet. I wanted to put them together here for future reference. This is not actually meta. This is, oh, protometa, maybe, the primordial soup of meta. I'm on painkillers and just found that line hilarious, if that gives you any idea of how foggy my brain is right now.

[community profile] linkspam, which I haven't been following but have now added to my reading list, uses warnings on their links which includes a warning for derailment. Though the mods do address that warnings are inherently subjective and potentially problematic and they are working on their warning guidelines.

Over in by [personal profile] phoebe_zeitgeist ("On derailing and complexity. Or one tiny corner thereof."), [personal profile] sqbr post comment talking about how she views derailing and provided an example.

To give some extreme examples:
Suppose fandom is going through DisabilityFail2010.

Poster A makes a locked post read by their 10 friends saying "So there's been all these posts about ableism in fanfic, and it got me thinking about how Castle fans deal with disability way better than Bones fans. In general those Bones fans are a bunch of idiots, let me tell you..."
Poster B makes a post saying "All these posts about disability are making me feel silenced. Don't they realise how that hurts my feelings as a woman? Our voices NEVER get to be heard, and now these oversensitive disabled people are telling ME what I can and cannot write! Helen Keller would be ashamed." and then links it to metafandom and linkspam themselves.
Poster C has no idea about DisabilityFail but happens to make a very good post about the way women's voices are silenced which is included in the same metafandom post as Poster B's, and helps encourage a shift of the conversation onto the way women's voices are silenced.


Posters A and B are derailing in the sense of avoiding a difficult topic by deliberately (albeit maybe subconsciously) shifting to something that makes them the centre of the conversation.
Posters B and C are derailing in the sense that their posts are shifting the centre of the conversation away from disability onto gender.

Afaict a lot of the conflict around derailing comes from people who see themselves as, at worse, poster C, feeling as if they are being equated with Poster B. Based on the arguments they're making I'd say some of them are Poster B (at least a little bit), and where that's obvious it should definitely be called out. But regardless: even Poster C, despite not meaning any harm and genuinely not being ableist still does harm.


[personal profile] legionseagle here and [personal profile] zvi here talk about (quoting zvi here) "the same stimulus can provoke conversation on multiple axes of difference."

I'm still not sure where all these things going in my thoughts, but using the hypotehtical above, I have a hard time with the idea that because, say, [community profile] linkspam links to Poster C's post in with the links about DisabilityFail (possibly with a warning that it is derailing) it actually is a derailing post. Though I do understand the idea of sheer volume silencing speakers, Poster C's post is from an entirely different conversation and the meta community combined the two.

This comment by [personal profile] jonquil is mixing with the above in my thoughts: There is a difference, and a substantive one, between walking into a journal or community and saying "Well, what about X?" and saying, in one's own journal, under flock or not, "I'm thinking about X right now." Calling the latter derailing is insisting that there is a single social-justice fandom rail which must be adhered to at all times.

There isn't.


I am dealing with a lot of physical pain right now, so if I've dropped code in all that, I'll try to clean it up as soon as I can. Also, I shouldn't have tried to watch Fringe like this. Yes, being forced to stay on the couch has given me time to catch up, but I can't brain.
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I haven't talked about Supernatural much lately, mostly because I'm basically not watching this season. It's sitting on my dvr, but I'm so frustrated by season three that I just can't watch it yet. I've not rewatched seasons one or two, either, and in fact I loaned season one to [livejournal.com profile] nikitangel months ago and haven't bothered to get it back.

But I still have thoughts and issues with it, and my buttons are being pushed by the fact that GLAAD nominated "Ghostfacers" for Outstanding Individual Episode (in a series without a regular LGBT character). GLAAD, you know, Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, nominated "GHOSTFACERS" for its portrayal of a gay character. (Hat tip to [livejournal.com profile] coffeeandink for the link.)

I have some issues with GLAAD anyway (for one thing, while I realize the awkwardness of GLBTQAAD or other variations, G&L doesn't actually include all that many potential members of the alliance. (I'm also not fond of "defamation" aligned with these awards, but that's a different conversation.)

I mean, the award tagline is this: 20th Annual GLAAD Media Awards. Fair. Accurate. Inclusive. And Impossibly Glam.

I'd like to know why they nominated "Ghostfacers" because the episode I saw was really none of those things. And GF is one of my favorite episodes of season three (which is saying something).

If you haven't seen the episode, summary below.

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I call FAIL.

(I'd like to know why they nominated this episode, but I'd also like to know why Bones was ignored, based on the standard I can infer from this nomination.)
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I've been thinking about this for awhile, because so much genderswap coming across my flist in SPN fandom, specifically Winsister. I really don't understand why, though in some ways, it makes more sense to me that it would happen in SPN, where there is a distinct lack of female characters. (Though there are some awesome ones, but that's for another discussion.) Then there was this post looking for femslash perspectives on genderswap.

Now I'm curious. What do you like about genderswap? What don't you like? Do you have an opinion on it?

I'm not being flip, I'm really curious about this. So far, I've just not seen the appeal, but I want to understand it.
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I had to do a bunch of website design tonight, and some very boring paperwork sorting, and I'm waiting for some news from my family, so I needed entertaining comfort movies. I ended up watching the Jurassic Park trilogy (I'm just about to start the third one now), and it has made me realize just how much these are the comfort films for me. (These and the Tremors quartet.) I think it might be because I've never written fic for them, so I don't approach them the same way I do movies (or any source material) for which I do write fic. No matter how much I love, say, Fast and the Furious, or how comforting it is, I'm always looking for any detail off which I can build a story. It's not a conscious decision, it's just how I approach texts with which I have worked in such a way before.

So JP is still only comfort and entertainment. I hadn't realized there was such a difference between the two.

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Since I was doing professional website coding, and it was frustrating, once I fixed the problems, I decided to update my fic website, which is not frustrating because a) it's an automated archive and b) [livejournal.com profile] thestalkycop deals with it for me.

Escritoire Azul Automated Archive


So all the new fics from the summer and fall are now up there, too.
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After talking to my sister, K, I really want to write about the way authors interact with their readers online; the way fans who become authors a) deal with fans and b) still act like fans first and authors second; the way author-fan expectation can change fan expectation; and how that can effect the way a new form of the source material is received.

(This is inspired by The Dresden Files, the show, and the way it hasn't been renewed, compared to Stardust.)

Unfortunately, I'm just taking a packing break to eat a bagel and then I'm back to it, so this will have to wait. I just wanted to put it here so I can remember to talk about, I hope.

(I've just switched my background show to a Scooby Doo movie, but I was watching a Cheetah Girls movie because they were singing and dancing their way through Barcelona and I was enjoying seeing all the places I visited once and would like to visit again. I can't tell you how many Disney tv movies I've watched just to see parts of Hawaii. Yeah.)
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Oh, so much good discussion and so many comments have helped me become even more concise and aware of the questions I'm asking and the thoughts I have. Thank you all for your comments and thoughts and suggestions and explanations.

Here is the original post about it, with discussion in the comments.

I think I can break down some of my thoughts within larger topics.

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I have quoted so many people in here I feel like I'm writing a paper again. This is a good feeling. I'm also overflowing with ideas and spent way too much time on this tonight, commenting and thinking and revising, time I should have spent editing the novel or writing the sequel novel, but this was good too.

Edited to Add Ha, ha, ha, that is what I get for not writing it up in livejournal, and then not checking to make sure nothing was wrong with the code. All user names should be fixed now, I hope.
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Along the lines of my last post about conceptualizing livejournal space, [livejournal.com profile] hermionesviolin wrote a wonderful post full of links to various conversations about similar topics. I've not yet formulated my thoughts on these additional ideas, but I wanted to link it here for easy access.
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[livejournal.com profile] fabu wrote an excellent post about how we conceptualize livejournal space, which is an extension of the debate about whether to ask permission/comment before linking to a public post, but for me the interest is really in the comments to this post (not that [livejournal.com profile] fabu's post itself isn't interesting) and especially [livejournal.com profile] linaelyn's comment about the divisions between Livejournal Cultures and how each of those Cultures decide what information should be locked and what should be left open.

She says:

In fandom, the tendency is to lock mundane, personal daily life issues, and to leave public the outré, fannish extremes, because that's what the LJ playground is for, for fans -- the meeting place where we find folks who share our edge-case extremes, our kinks and our quirks. For the less-fannish social-interaction circles of LJ-land, it is more typical to leave public the mundanities of laundry, dinner menus other things you'd speak of to your grandmother, and hide under deep friendslock the excellent sexual position you and your partner discovered the night before.

The differing conventions between which posts should be public and what should be carefully filtered to those one trusts make crossover between the two Livejournal Cultures difficult thing.


This is exactly the problem I face in my journal entries (and which I realize I could easily change by combining the two journals, but I don't know if that's the best solution either, even though having two journals also isn't the best solution for me). I want to have both those Livejournal Cultures in both of my journals, and the two do not work together well (at least not for me).

I have this journal, what I call my fandom journal, because I wanted to have open fandom discourse (and mindless squee) without worrying about people using the personal information I (sometimes inadvertantly) slip into it for negative purposes. I've had this happen before on the other journal, which is part of why I changed its name and why I have this one and include few of the identifying details of the other one.

However, the more I exist in each journal, the more I want to post personal details here as well. When I started on livejournal, years ago (when it was free the first time 'round), the other journal was mostly friended by people I knew from fandom. As livejournal gained popularity, more people from my non-fandom life joined and friended it, and then some of the negative, stalker occurances happened, and it was locked down tight. I feel fandom interaction is at its best when it is open to anyone to come talk (at its worst, too, unfortunately), but I didn't want to only publically post fandom squee and stories on what had become a flocked personal journal. So I created this fandom-friendly journal.

Now I feel I'm only putting part of myself into either journal (well, even more than normal, because I don't think there is any way to put all of the self into a strictly written format, whether the person in question is actually trying to hide aspects of the self or not), and I dislike it. I want to share more of my non-fandom self here, but I don't want to start flocking. I don't know.

The simple answer would be to either join both journals again or to just start using flocked posts here, too, but I don't know. There's no real point to this rambling, except to link to the things I found so interesting.



On another note (or two), my winamp playlist does not do random so well; it keeps playing the same songs over and over again, despite the wide variety on it. Also I am posty today (spammy, even), and you can blame [livejournal.com profile] thestalkycop. When she leaves me to my own devices, I ramble at you instead of at her.
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So there's this Fan/Fandom Creed by [livejournal.com profile] grayout making the rounds and I? I have a lot of thoughts on it, and only about half an hour until I have to close up shop here, so I will try to hit the big things and move on.

Expanda copy of the creed and my disagreements and agreements )

Pretty much I think I can sum up my thoughts: There are some good ideas here, but what fandom really needs the whole world needs too. Treat all people like people and respect each other.

Manifestos tend to have good points, good beginnings, and then are taken too far, in the wrong directions, or just torn apart by fanatics.

Edited to Add: Oh and as to why I do have two journals, I wanted one where I could post everything unlocked and not give away too many details of non-fandom life. My non-fandom journal is flocked and filtered and detailed, whereas this one is not, and I even use initials. (Which, by the way, I need to meet people who do not all have names starting with the same letters, because it gets confusing even to me. No creativity whatsoever in my family and friends, at least their names.)
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I am trying to gather my thoughts on some very interesting discussions (and [livejournal.com profile] kphoebe, I think you'd have some things to say about these, too), but I'm so far into my writing I can't shake the plots from my head. Instead I'll collect the links here and try to come back to them later.

These are just in the order I found them, not necessarily the order they were written or any other order, for that matter.

[livejournal.com profile] twinkledru expands on her thoughts on femslash and whether women are underrepresented in western media (which was actually sparked off by her shorter post why is femslash the redheaded stepchild of fandom?). She makes a lot of good points, and then in response to both posts, there are dozens of thoughtful and thought-provoking comments.

Edited to Add: [livejournal.com profile] twinkledru has a follow-up post.

[livejournal.com profile] inlovewithnight talks about her favorite female characters and if her favorites aren't the women who carry the physically strong label, does that mean she doesn't like strong women?

[livejournal.com profile] fox1013 asks what makes a female character interesting, and what people think some female characters are missing which makes them less likeable.

And there it is, the conversations which are starting to distract me from my writing, but the writing has to come first.

Why does the thoughtful mood fox look so upset? Thinking is good.
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Ghosting has become over 5,000 words.

I should remind myself to post about feedback, because I'm in an interesting position right now. Also, feedback thoughts led to writing style thoughts, and I should post about that, too. However, I need to be in bed asleep as of two and a half hours ago. Tomorrow is going to suck.

Sleep now.
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[livejournal.com profile] son_of_darkness asked: In your eyes, what is fandom, and what does it mean to you?

I know I've seen this go around before and I know I've talked about it before, but I'm still interested, so here we go again. This was my answer, in the comments:

I can agree with some of what you said here, but I also agree with what [livejournal.com profile] ladysorka said on the last comment (at least the last comment I read).

To me, fandom is both the actual content (source material, fiction, art, meta, debate, websites, mailing lists, and yes, livejournal too) as well as the people involved. However, I don't think fandom can be any one aspect of that (livejournal, in your example, or mailing lists, or im conversations); it is a conglomeration of all the ways people create and communicate about the specific source material.

So I both agree and disagree with this statement:

To me, LJ = Fandom, because fandom isn't really so much about the fics and the art, it's about the people.

Yes, fandom is about the people, though it is also about the fics and about the art and about the essays and the debate etc. My personal fandom focuses much more on fics and much less on art or essays, but they are still a part of fandom as a whole. The people make fandom what it is, good or bad, because any hobby can only be as good, or as bad, as the people involved.

Livejournal can't equal fandom, in my opinion, because there is so much fandom outside of livejournal. Perhaps I have a different opinion because I came into fandom years before livejournal existed, but I don't think any one means of communication can be the entirety of fandom. It existed long before livejournal or mailing lists or the boards, and will continue long into the future, when other communicating styles are the standard.

Livejournal is the instant gratification side of fandom, in some ways. As you said, it is easy to ask for fic recommendations and receive them immediately or go in search of groups that bring you your preferred parts of fandom or interact with hundreds or thousands of people on a daily basis, sometimes immediately.

There are other ways to do this, though. I still utilize fanfic archives more than livejournal. I'm still a part of mailing lists. I use bulletin boards and email and chat just as much, if not more, than livejournal, and I feel my fandom experience is even more broad and fulfilling than if I relied on livejournal alone.

Fandom is the sum of all its parts. I don't think any one aspect of fandom should be discounted, but nor do I think that any one part can be said to equal fandom. I'd miss out on a lot if I didn't use livejournal (this conversation, for one thing), but I'd miss out on a lot of I restricted myself to livejournal, only.

Fandom as a whole is everything that fans do and everywhere they do it. Conventions, bulletin boards, mailing lists, livejournal, instant messaging, zines, movies, fanart, fanfiction, the fans themselves--it is all fandom. What you (generic you) choose to have as your fandom is just one part of that greater whole.

I'm not sure if I have a different opinion not only because I came into fandom before livejournal but also because I came into Buffy, first, when it was still a small, fairly centralized fandom, and then moved on to The Lost Boys, also small and mostly centralized. Fiction archives and mailing lists worked for that. I think the main fandom being considered in the conversation over there is Harry Potter, and I know it's an overwhelming fandom, far-spread and somewhat dangerous to newbies. Livejournal could be a facilitator for that, I suppose, and ease the way for new people to join fandom.

Do you think livejournal makes things easier?

I'd say I've had a more difficult time becoming involved in fandom through livejournal than I have anywhere else. Of course, I went for years without joining any new fandoms, so maybe I'm just out of practice and it is always a slow process.
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Many people have been talking about drabbles lately, and [livejournal.com profile] kaalee's call for drabble links made me think about how I view drabbles, especially when I couldn't think of any specific examples off the top of my head.

Now don't get me wrong. I'm a member of a few different drabble communities, and I've written three or four myself (as long as you count the one that was the prequel to the remusremix ficathon), and there are times when I really like the idea of a drabble. (I'm defining a drabble the same way [livejournal.com profile] tipgardner quoted [livejournal.com profile] gblvr: a self-contained vignette of exactly 100 words, no more, no less. However, this also pertains to pieces of writing that are longer than 100 words, but aren't full length stories.) There are two or three writers who consistently churn out drabbles that catch my eye and that I've enjoyed reading, and any number of one or two shot drabbles that made me glad to be a reader.

However, none of them stuck with me, obviously, and that is why I also hate drabbling. Beyond the enjoyment from the actual reading itself, my favorite part of being a reader is the ability to recall my favorite stories, to share with others, to discuss and debate and enjoy together. I like to remember what I've read, and for the most part, I do. But when it comes to drabbles, no matter how much I enjoyed it at the time, I just can't pull it up later, because it's so fast and so small.

It's hard to write a good drabble; it takes time and effort, because, to me at least, it's much harder to write something clear, interesting, and concise, and 100 words is a very tiny amount of space to tell even a shadow of a story. But that's what makes it fun, the word constraints, and the effort to pare the story down to the bones, with only threads of sinew to hold it all together.

It surprises me that I enjoy drabbles at all; first and foremost, I'm a plot writer, and I like a long, complicated plot to carry the entire story. Characterization is wonderful, the writing itself (word choice, imagery, vocabulary, etc.) is important, but the beginning and the end of why I read and write is the plot itself. It's hard to find true plot in a drabble, and even more difficult to find a good plot handled well in one.
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Has everyone seen challenge in a can over at dymphna.net? It has an x-men random generator (more or less), and I'm intrigued.

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[livejournal.com profile] elke_tanzer talks about the stories/art/vids/etc. that cause an entire paradigm shift in a fandom, and it's all very interesting, and, as someone who spends most of her time in smaller fandoms, I should really have quite a bit to say on this, but all I can think about is the fact that my best friend [livejournal.com profile] thestalkycop was the paradigm shift in The Mighty Ducks. She and Victory Through Tears pretty much introduced slash to the fandom, with impressive results. (Note, those results were not always good, but they were always impressive.)

(And if you want to read her writing, visit Queertet.net)

I want to have that kind of effect on something. Not necessarily a genre or even a fandom, but, you know, maybe a person.
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There's also some angst discussion going on somewhere (I accidently closed the window when I got too click happy), and it made me think about why I like angst (again). I actually don't have a lot to say about it that I haven't hashed out with my betas/co-writers one hundred times before (especially [livejournal.com profile] thestalkycop), but that's never been in a public forum, so we'll see if I can come up with anything interesting and logical. I doubt it.

At the very core of it, I like to write angst because I can't write fluff. No, I'm serious. I read fluff, and enjoy it--I like humor and good times and romance just as much as the next person (in my reading, people). There are authors who awe me with their ability to write fluff, and make it believable, and interesting, and inspiring. I just can't do it. I don't see the world that way, and can't make myself see any world through fluff-glasses.

However, I also find, as an author, that writing angst is far more interesting than writing fluff, despite the challenge of fluff because I can't write it. When I try to write fluff, everything seems so simple--the characters get along, nothing pops up to ruin their days/months/lives, there's no drama, no intensity. Plot, sure, but nothing that catches my interest and makes me want to write. (This may be because I also have a hard time writing slice-of-life stories; I love to read them, but when I try to write them, I just don't see the point.)

But when I write angst, anything can happen. Just when things start to go smoothly, I can throw another wrench into the plans, and a whole story takes off from that one situation. The characters seem more interesting when they're having to overcome trials and tribulations; in fluff, everything seems too easy for them, but in angst, I, as a writer and a reader, get to see what really makes the characters tick. I get to see how they'd react in down and dirty situations, and I get to find new sides that the characters themselves might not like, or even want to reveal, but that make the story have more depth, more intrigue.

Of course, I could just sum it up by saying I like to make the characters hurt. Because I'm evil that way.

Edited to add: How could I leave out the Gangster reference? Thanks to Sarah and the whole Ducks fandom, I'm now known as the Gangster--the Goldberg Angster. All because of a handful (less really) of stories.
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[livejournal.com profile] jeddy83 writes about betas who rip the stories to shreds and why that doesn't work, and here was my response:

This idea is what makes me shy away from finding new betas when I enter a new fandom (and ultimately, what makes me take so long to write in any new fandom, no matter how long I've been reading in it); not your idea, but the "ripping to shreds" bit.

I love a good, solid beta, in both fanfic and non-fanfic writing. The betas I use, for the most part, I've used for years, because they are thorough, pointed, and tough. However, they also know how to present their opinions and changes so that nothing becomes an attack, which makes the advice that much more palatable.

Outside of fandom, I've been a professional editor for years. I know how important a good beta is, and how much every story needs at least one or two. And still, I can get touchy about the story, if the beta is needlessly harsh.

I think the point of a beta, of an editor, is not only to reveal the mistakes or changes that need to be made, but to encourage the writer, and to present everything in a way that the writer can understand what is right and wrong about the story. Unless the beta can get through to the writer, it's a wasted effort. The rip-the-story-to-shreds beta puts the writer on the defensive, so instead of really thinking about the comments, in my opinion, the writer immediately tries to defend them, and may miss ideas that would make excellent additions or changes.

So what do you all think about betas? How harsh are your betas? Do you even use betas? And, important to me, because I'm currently writing in new fandoms, and my betas are dragging their feet about joining them, too, how do you find new betas you can trust?
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Branching off of [livejournal.com profile] out_there's "mynon" conversation, I think, [livejournal.com profile] mireille719 talks about her view of writing, and why the mynon/OTP situation works for some, but not all. I started this reply to her comment, and the livejournal started to suck, so while I posted the first part as a comment, I continued my ramblings here.

I'm playing let's-pretend here. What-if.

I really like this as part of the explanation for why you can have your own, personal opinion about the characters (the mynon, if you will, which is an interesting term, no matter who came up with it originally), but can still move away from that opinion in order to write the situations that come to mind. Because what is writing if not playing what-if with any given scenario, character, whatever. If everyone always stuck to one interpretation of a character (and I don't mean the universal ONE, but just their own, individual, original interpretation), their stories would become trite, boring.

To me, the point of writing, but especially the point of fan fiction is to use the writing itself as a way to extrapolate different interpretations, different scenes, based on the nuances of the character, by focusing on one you (generic you as the writer) haven't necessarily written about before. And you can't do that without being able to accept that you may have one, favorite variation of a character, but that others are just as valid, whether you're the one writing that variation or not.

It's like that saying that we'd all be boring if we were all the same; how much emptier would fiction be if there were no variations on a character theme, and all we had was the same old same old to read every time?

I'm so glad you wrote this; it really made me think about my personal mynons. And it helped me start to realize why I don't usually do the OTP thing, because I always do want to see the various "what-if" situations.

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As I'm fighting with livejournal, and trying to post this as a response to [livejournal.com profile] mireille719, I have the chance to think about this even more, especially the OTP situation. It's been gnawing at my mind for awhile, because everyone seems to have at least one OTP, and I just--don't.

I have pairings that I'm fond of, sure. I have pairings that I think are absolutely, positively canon. (Sometimes those two facts even overlap, though not always, because I'm quite fond of the unconventional relationships.) But there has yet to be a pairing that I enjoy, but don't also enjoy seeing each partner paired with someone else.

I used to think this stemmed from my views on relationships (which aren't really relevant, or positive, actually), but now I'm beginning to think it has to do with the fact that, though I like this interpretation of this relationships between these characters, I can also enjoy that interpreation of that relationships between one of these characters and that character, not because I'm fickle, and not because I don't care about the characters or the relationship, but because I understand that there will be more than one valid interpetation of any source material.

The fact that I can and will (and very happily do) accept multiple interpretation opens up whole new worlds for me, sometimes quite literally, when I'm sucked into a fandom I know nothing about, or a fandom I never would have even thought to see if it existed. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with having an OTP, but I know I've read fabulous stories that some of my friends wouldn't have read, because the pairing splits up their OTP.

I think being open to interpretations helps my writing, too, because if I stuck with one version of a character, or one pairing, I know my writing would get stale, and I'd just tell the same story over, and over, and over again. I know there are authors who claim to do this (in fact, I think [livejournal.com profile] musesfool claims that she tells the same story time and again, and if she does, she always adds a fresh twist, a breath of new air, that makes the story worth reading again and again and again), and some who claim it that do it well, but I don't think I could. So having the variety of situations, versions of characters, and potential pairings helps me, immensely.

Man, I can't get livejournal to open anything. Damn

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